Jews? is that true the messiah that will come it would be from bethlehem in judea or west bank?


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it would be the messiah from any jewish family of the modern city of bethlehem, I know the christian messiah also was born in that city but the christian messiah left bethlehem in order to live in a city in galilee called nazareth.. but the messiah would be from bethlehem or a family from that city, according to...


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The angels have the phone box.

The line in Micah refers to the birthplace of King David, i.e. the ancient historical family background of the lineage. And of course that line has long been geographically dispersed, so there is no need for the Messiah to have been born in a specific place.

This is one of several places where the Christian canon takes Hebrew scriptures in bizarrely literal ways. It really does read as if someone was writing from things half-remembered, or reading in a language they only have a basic grasp of. However that may have happened, the results only work if the Hebrew is continued to be misread.

The birth of Jesus in Bethlehem is also problematic from a purely historical perspective. The canon gives the reason for his birth there as being a gigantic census which filled the city and forced a heavily pregnant woman to travel long distances. Yet there isn't a single mention of such a widely disruptive event. We have extant references to two other censuses from approximately that time period. Neither remotely fit the criteria. Mary's alleged travel is especially problematic -- as a woman, she would have been counted as part of her husband's household. She could have remained safely at home, rather than risking two lives by traveling. There simply was no need for her to travel.

Unless you insist on taking Micah in this bizarrely literal way and write the rest of the story to fit.

 
Sarah

There's a great story I heard once that kind of nullifies any specific arriving place or time for the Messiah, for me.

A rabbi was walking in Jerusalem one morning when he met a peddler selling pottery on the street. The peddler struck him as a bit odd, so he started a conversation. Sure enough, the rabbi discovered that the peddler was Elijah, the prophet.
Excited, the rabbi asked Elijah, "When will the Messiah arrive?"
Elijah answered, "He's already here." The rabbi was ecstatic.
"Where can I find him?" he asked.
"He sits with the lepers by the city gates," Elijah told him. "You will know him among all the lepers by the way he treats his sores. The lepers will remove all their bandages, wash all their sores, and then replace all their bandages. The Messiah will remove one bandage at a time, wash the sore, and replace the bandage. He wants to be ready at any moment if he is called."
So off the rabbi went to the city gates where the lepers hung out. Sure enough, there was the Messiah - taking off one bandage, washing the sore, and replacing the bandage.
The rabbi asked the Messiah, "Teacher! When will you bring God's message of peace and establish His kindgom on earth?"
The Messiah answered, "Today."
The rabbi was overjoyed. He went home, excited as a frat pledge for his first party, and waited for the Messiah.
Morning turned to afternoon, and afternoon turned to evening. Still the Messiah had not arrived.
The rabbi left his home and went to where Elijah had been earlier that day. The prophet was busy packing up his wares, but stopped when he saw the rabbi.
"So, did you meet him?" Elijah asked the rabbi.
"Yes, sir, I did, but I'm confused," said the rabbi.
"What about?" Elijah asked.
"Well," the rabbi started, "I asked the Messiah when he would come and bring God's kingdom to us, and he said it would be today. But today is over."
Elijah chuckled a bit. "He was quoting scripture, Rabbi," Elijah explained. "The whole passage reads, 'Today, if you will hear God's word.' The Messiah will bring God's kingdom when all the people are devoted and ready to accept it."
The rabbi thanked Elijah for the explanation and went home. He continued to live his life as God had commanded him to, spreading God's word to all those he could teach.

This story suggests to me that the Messiah might not be a single person, but an effect that happens when everyone is busy loving and helping each other and not being selfish. That feels like God's kingdom to me.

 
Aravah

answer: Nazarene didn't exist at the time

Here are the ACTUAL prophecies of the Jewish Messiah

* The Sanhedrin will be re-established (Isaiah 1:26)
* Once he is King, leaders of other nations will look to him for guidance. (Isaiah 2:4)
* The whole world will worship the One God of Israel (Isaiah 2:17)
* He will be descended from King David (Isaiah 11:1) via King Solomon (1 Chron. 22:8-10)
* The Moshiach will be a man of this world, an observant Jew with "fear of God" (Isaiah 11:2)
*****In other words - this must all be accomplished in a human lifetime*****
* Evil and tyranny will not be able to stand before his leadership (Isaiah 11:4)
* Knowledge of God will fill the world (Isaiah 11:9)
* He will include and attract people from all cultures and nations (Isaiah 11:10)
* All Israelites will be returned to their homeland (Isaiah 11:12)
* Death will be swallowed up forever (Isaiah 25:8)
* There will be no more hunger or illness, and death will cease (Isaiah 25:8)
* All of the dead will rise again (Isaiah 26:19)
* The Jewish people will experience eternal joy and gladness (Isaiah 51:11)
* He will be a messenger of peace (Isaiah 52:7)
* Nations will end up recognizing the wrongs they did to Israel (Isaiah 52:13-53:5)
* The peoples of the world will turn to the Jews for spiritual guidance (Zechariah 8:23)
* The ruined cities of Israel will be restored (Ezekiel 16:55)
* Weapons of war will be destroyed (Ezekiel 39:9)
* The Temple will be rebuilt (Ezekiel 40) resuming many of the suspended mitzvot
* He will then perfect the entire world to serve God together (Zephaniah 3:9)
* Jews will know the Torah without Study (Jeremiah 31:33)
* He will give you all the desires of your heart (Psalms 37:4)
* He will take the barren land and make it abundant and fruitful (Isaiah 51:3, Amos 9:13-15, Ezekiel 36:29-30, Isaiah 11:6-9).
Thanks to Mark S and Plushy Bear

 
Hatikvah

What does it matter -- we'll ask him when he gets here. You'll know he has arrived when we have universal peace on earth!

Messianic Era (Chabad Lubavitch)
In the Messianic Era, the Divine plan for the world will be fully realized. There will be universal peace, prosperity, goodness and knowledge of God. The coming Moshiach will not cause a break with the past and the beginning of something entirely new. On the contrary, it is the culmination and crowning stroke of all our efforts toward a world of peace and consummate holiness.
Moshiach will free the Jewish People from all servitude to foreign nations, rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem and gather all the Jews of the entire world to Israel. Peace and prosperity will be universal and all the nations of the world will serve the one God. Moshiach will reveal Godliness in every facet of the Creation. He will elevate each of us from our respective limitations and open our eyes to the Godliness that is the inner reality of our life.
We will still have our family, friends and possessions. However, they will be more wholesome and meaningful because we will see their true value-their Divine purpose.
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From "The Book of Words," by Lawrence Kushner
Tradition wisely warns against "forcing the hand of the Messiah." On the other hand, imagining how much better things could be than they are now only guarantees despair.
Sometimes "the best" is the enemy of "the good." If you allow yourself to measure existence against a perfect standard, life will certainly be miserable. Things, by definition, could always be better than they are now. On the other hand, succumbing to the way things are now is to cease dreaming. The balance, perhaps, is to accept the way things are because, like it or not, for better or for worse, that is literally the only way things are. They, of course, can be different, but only later. To worry about "later" is to miss "now." Remember, one of us may be the Messiah. That possibility shouldn't, but nevertheless does, affect how we treat one another.

http://www.aish.com/sp/ph/69742282.html
In Kabbalah, it is not only God who judges us. As we bid farewell to the world, we are shown a film that contains scenes of our entire lives. We are witnesses to every moment of our days on Earth as they pass before us with incredible rapidity. And as we watch our own story unfold, there are times when we cringe with embarrassment; others when we smile with glee. Our past moral lapses cause us to shudder in pain; our victories over our evil inclinations provide us with a keen sense of spiritual triumph. It is then that we realize in retrospect that we alone are the greatest judges of our own lives. What happens after death is that we gain the wisdom to evaluate our own life by the standards of Heaven -- because we have finally glimpsed an eternal perspective.
What is Hell? Remember when you were in eighth grade and something utterly embarrassing happened? The shame you felt and how you just wanted the ground to open up so you could disappear. That is Hell. It is the deepest realization that our life (or part of it) has been squandered, which creates a deep regret and shame in our soul.
The good news is that God -- in His infinite kindness – established this as a cleansing process, where after one year (or less), all the negativity has been forever washed away.

When will the messiah arrive?
When we master the violence that fills our world.
When we look upon others as we would have them look upon us.
When we grant to every person the rights we claim for ourselves.
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Curious

Is it true? Is the asker wanting to know the truth? It may be safely said that only the Messiah knows the truth. However, some believe they also know the truth and among those are ones who claim the Messiah will hail from Bethlehem, just as there are ones who disagree with that.

 
Tuck

I would just like to say that another answerer named phil referenced the book of Mathew, which was written by a disciple of Jesus in the New Testament, to prove the non-divinity of Christ. Wow! phil needs to learn a few things before shattering his own argument through stupidity.

 
phil

When the messiah comes it will be obvious.

Matthew 24:23-51 (New International Version)

23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

 
Godsproblemchild

Hello!!!...Is any one home? ... The Messiah came 2000 years ago! The prophesy about Bethlehem has already been fulfilled. the next time Jesus returns He will be a warrior and conquering king not a baby.

 
john h

The Messiah was to be BORN in Bethlehem and was to PREACH mainly in Galilee and he was to be from the FAMILY of David.

Jesus fit all those and about 300 other prophesies.

The odds that Jesus would fit only 8 prophesies at the time he lived have been calculated as 1 in 10 to the 17th power. That's a 10 with 17 zeros behind it, or a 1 with 18 zeros behind it. That number is so large that if it were to be converted to silver dollars it would cover the entire state of Texas two feet high. Then you would have to mark one of those silver dollars and blind fold a man and have him walk any direction for as long as he wanted. And the odds that he would pick the marked quarter would be the odds that Jesus fit only EIGHT of the written prophesies!! And he fit over 300.

And for those who would say Jesus did not exist: His existence was documented by the Romans, the Hebrew religious leaders (and they hated him!), some Greek historian who's name I don't remember, and the Jewish historian Josephus.

 
Andrew

"the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come [Romans, who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 CE] will destroy the city and the sanctuary. " (Daniel 9:26)

Sounds like the Messiah already came because the temple was destroyed.